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    Posted: 29 August 2010 at 11:52am
Illuminati means, "Light Bearers" or "Enlightened Ones". The Illuminati belief system says that freedom is only obtained through the entrance of true or pure light (sodomy) and life (sacrifice) is only obtained through death.
 They tell their people that nothing can ever penetrate that power because the [unholy] trinity of Cain, Nimrod, and Joseph seals it in.

 The core religion of their belief system comes from the Cabala, a book containing mysticism, and written by a sect of the Pharisees who went into Babylon after the destruction of Jerusalem. As a matter of fact, the holy language of the Illuminati is Hebrew...

Medina sods ?, hahaha! come on.....! survivors of this trauma/brainwashing can get help...
http://www.whale.to/b/knox.html

Just plain old perverts! hypnotising and traumatising, unsuspecting dupes!

get real! Medina sods! the game's over! , by the way, I was brought up in a place called Alexander Green! , [and I'm not quite as green as some! haha!],

want to know something about Alexander the great? he was gay, and used sodomy as a method of control.
remind you of any other ass fuckers?

Langer, a psychiatrist, was commissioned by the Allies in 1943 to prepare a thorough psychological study of Hitler. His report, kept under wraps for 29 years, was published in book form in 1972 as The Mind of Adolf Hitler. Langer writes that Hitler was certainly a coprophile (a person who is sexually aroused by human excrement) and may have practiced homosexuality as an adult. He cites the testimony of Hermann Rauschning, a former Hitler confidante who "reports that he has met two boys who claimed that they were Hitler's homosexual partners, but their testimony can hardly be taken at face value. More condemning," adds Langer, "would be the remarks dropped by [Albert] Foerster, the Danzig gauleiter, in conversation with Rauschning. Even here, however, the remarks deal only with Hitler's impotence as far as heterosexual relationships go, without actually implying that he indulges in homosexuality. It is probably true that Hitler calls Foerster 'Bubi,' which is a common nickname employed by homosexuals in addressing their partners. This alone is not adequate proof that he has actually indulged in homosexual practices with Foerster, who is known to be a homosexual" (Langer:178). However, writes Langer, "Even today, Hitler derives sexual pleasure from looking at men's bodies and associating with homosexuals" (Langer:179). Too, Hitler's greatest hero was Frederick the Great, a well-known homosexual (Garde:44). The Pink Swastika by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams.

Hitler, if homosexual, was certainly not exclusively so. There are at least four women, including his own niece, with whom Hitler had sexual relationships, although these relationships were not normal. Both Waite and Langer suggest that his sexual encounters with women included expressions of his coprophilic perversion as well as other extremely degrading forms of masochism. It is interesting to note that all four women attempted suicide after becoming sexually involved with Hitler. Two succeeded (Langer:175f). The Pink Swastika by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams.

Reportedly, Hitler Youth leader, Baldur von Schirach was bisexual; Hitler's private attorney, Reich Legal Director, Minister of Justice, butcher Governor- General of Poland, and public gay-hater Hans Frank was said to be a homosexual; Hitler's adjutant Wilhelm Bruckner was said to be bisexual;...Walter Funk, Reich Minister of Economics [and Hitler's personal financial advisor] has frequently been called a "notorious" homosexual ...or as a jealous predecessor in Funk's post, Hjalmar Schacht, contemptuously claimed, Funk was a "harmless homosexual and alcoholic;" ...[Hitler's second in command] Hermann Goering liked to dress up in drag and wear campy make-up; and so on and so forth 

Kidology on a grand scale! poor saps, they just don't get it...everything is pre-ordained!

but keep on, it's a hoot! Armageddon? my ass!LOLWink Medina? hahahahaha! daft sods..

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'Helter Skelter........', noisy song that. Written by P.McCartney as a kind of rival to the 'Who's',
'Pinball Wizard', in the volume stakes. Old Macca seems to have mellowed a little in his later years, tempus fugit! tragedy, death, etc, is the fate of all us humans,-no one gets out alive.

Seems Macca, losing his mum at an early age, likes his marijuana too! that says much for any wannabee psychologists![like me] , lots to go on with there! but old Jim, Macca's dad, and his brother Mike ,etc should have kept him on the straight and narrow!

Maybe the Dude had family? I wonder. Trying to emulate your siblings, and eventually 'be better', is another driving 'force' of humanity, there is much in this, throughout history, and mythology! warring brothers feature prominently!

I was going over some bookmarked sites again , and came across this one;
http://www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati_-_2b.html  

[it has info about Manson and Crowley etc, it's a very good, well researched site!]



So, since Crowley was very learned in these areas and was revealing these things to the ordinary reader in his books, Reuss was sent to tell Crowley: "Since you know our hidden sex teachings, you'd better come into our Order." Crowley agreed, and after a journey to Berlin, he was transformed with due ceremony into the Supreme and Holy King of Ireland, Iona, and all them Britons that are in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis. And he gave himself the magical name of BAPHOMET [16], which we saw is just another name for Lucifer.
   Now, this Order of the Templars of the East, or Ordo Templi Orientis, in the 1960's had a Lodge operating under the name of "The Process Church of the Final Judgment" in Los Angeles [17]. This same "Process Church of the Final judgment" attracted a male Witch that had studied deep into magic, warlockery, hypnotism, astral projection, Masonic lore, scientology, ego games, subliminal motivation, music, and whose religion was like the Yezidis, Gnostics, and the Palladists, of whom Albert Pike was once a leader, as we studied earlier, and which was a mixture of both Satanism and some elements of the Bible. This religious leader and revolutionary claimed he was both Satan and Christ [18]. His name is Charles Manson. Ironically enough, Manson studied Witchcraft while he was in prison at McNeil Island Penitentiary in Washington [19].
   On March 21, 1967, Manson left prison. He was thirty-two years old. At first he went to the Bay area and hung around the Berkeley and the Haight-Ashbury district, where he met his first disciples (Mary Brunner and Lynn "Squeaky" Fromme). He was introduced to LSD, experienced an hallucination, and thought he was Christ. When the leader of the "Family" was arrested, he was booked as "Manson, Charles M. aka Jesus Christ, God" [20].
   Before the slayings that were to become known as the Tate-LaBianca murders, Manson and his Family moved to Santa Barbara and Topanga Canyon, where they supported themselves by theft (especially of credit cards) and drug dealing."
   Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor during the Tate-LaBianca trials, in his search for a motive for the barbaric slayings, found that the motive was centered around a bizarre religious belief and rock music. Also centered around the infamous Charles Manson Family were found very well-known names in Hollywood and rock music circles.
   In his book, Helter Skelter, Bugliosi said Manson had an obsession for the Beatles' music, according to former inmates. While he was in prison, the Beatles song, "I Want To Hold Your Hand" became the No.1 song on the record charts in lanuary 1964. Manson's fanatical interests while in prison were scientology, his guitar, and his interest in the Beatles songs. But he told numerous people that, given the chance, he could be much bigger than the Beatles [22].
   Manson believed that the Beatles were modern day prophets that were giving their messages through their music. Manson would quote, verbatim, lyrics from the Beatles songs, finding in them a multitude of hidden meanings. He would also use his interpretation of Revelation chapter 9 to support his own views [23]. Now here lies the bizarre reasoning behind the mass murders he and his Family committed. We are not interested in studying the bloody history of the actual killings, but how these young human beings could be led to do such things.
   First of all, the reader must remember that the basic foundation to all Witchcraft is the belief that man will continue to live after death (immortality of the soul). That man is, as it were, stuck in a body, but it is only temporary, because he has a soul that will live in Paradise at death. This first lie, "Ye shall not surely die," as we studied earlier, is not a new doctrine, but is as old as this first lie. To help a Bible believer understand why the chapter 9 in the book of Revelation was more viewed than the 13th, 14th, 16th, 17th or 28th chapters by the Manson Family we have to know the significance behind the occultist doctrine of the number 9.
   In ancient pagan numerology, the number 9 is the number of the circle, which was a symbol of infinity or immortality. Take the zodiac, for instance. As we saw earlier, it was a 360° circle. Now the numbers 36 and 360, both important to astrologers, would add to 9 if their components were separated and added: 3+6=9  3+6+0=9.  Much medieval magic revolves around the number 9. It was considered one of the most potent of numbers because it was composed of the all powerful 3 that represented the Trinity: 3 + 3 + 3 = 9. The number nine was sacred to the pagan goddess [24] of death, the underworld and Hell, the burning place of torment. Witches believed that they could be reincarnated nine times [25].
   Charles Manson believed and taught that death was only a change. "The soul or spirit can't die," he said. Death was "a fear that was born in man's head and can be taken out of man's head, and then it would no longer exist" [26].
   Ancient pagans believed that death was a blessing, for at death they would shed this mortal body and become a ghost. It was recorded that the Aztec Indians in Central Mexico sacrificed 20 thousand human beings a year without the slightest guilt of conscience. Even the victims themselves would line up with little resistance to be sacrificed to the Sungod. Some believed it was a high calling to die for the Sun-god because in their myth, the Sun and the Stars killed each other at night. Huitzilopochtli (the Aztec Sun-god) was reborn every morning. The bloody sacrifices of the Aztecs were believed necessary because the Sun-god was nourished by human blood. Most of the wars carried out against their neighboring tribes were to get unwilling victims to sacrifice.
   Charles Manson taught his disciples that they were living in the Age of the Armageddon and the word he used for this Great Battle was "Helter Skelter." He taught his followers that the battle of Armageddon would be fought by a race war between the blacks and whites. There are two keys to understanding this ignorant man's murderous propaganda, and his false interpretation of the book of Revelation. One, the number 9 in Witchcraft, as we have seen, identified with death, Hell (fire and brimstone), and also the immortal soul. Hence, Manson's whole religion was based on his interpretation of Revelation chapter 9. The second key to understanding the Manson madness was the revolutionary propaganda from the Beatles songs. John Lennon of the Beatles can be quoted as saying, "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that: I'm right, and I will be proved right. We're (the Beatles) more popular than Jesus now..." St. Louis Globe Democrat, Aug. 5, 1966, quoted from The Death of a Nation, Stormer, Liberty Bell Press, 1968, p. 67.
   What came to pass about the Beatles and John Lennon's tragic death is public record but Christianity is still here, and will continue until Christ's Second Coming. Saith the Lord: "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Revelation 17:14.
   A decade after the Tate-LaBianca murders, it was reported that evil propaganda messages were found in some Beatles songs. This article appeared in the San Antonio Light, Monday, February 1, 1982. The headline read: "Backward masked Satan promos found on some Rock'n Roll Records." Evil messages were not only found in the Beatles' music, but also in other rock groups, such as Led Zeppelin, Queen, Black Oak Arkansas, and the Electric Light Orchestra. This subliminal technique of hiding satanic messages is known as "Backward Masking." Messages that cannot be heard when played forward are implanted in the songs. This backward masking of messages can only be understood when the record is played backwards. This is done by placing the speed of the turntable in neutral position, then spinning it by finger backwards at a speed where the voice of the group is distinguishable. The Led Zeppelin song, "Stairway to Heaven," played backwards can be heard to say: "MY SWEET SATAN.... THE ONE WILL BE SAD WHO MAKES ME SAD, WHOSE POWER IS SATAN." Forward the lyrics say, "YES, THERE ARE TWO PATHS YOU CAN GO BY; BUT IN THE LONG RUN THERE'S STILL TIME TO CHANGE THE ROAD YOU'RE ON."


So called 'Freemasonry', seems to exclude Jews? mmmmmmmmm,

I think not! I am pretty sure that, the rhagarin[Jewish /Egyptian 'priests', or sun worshippers!] are alive and well! travelling around, wandering, as they always have!

Because thats it, you see, God [not Baal their false god] has commanded this! But, shoot!
I do not want to become embroiled in Zionist arguments! hahaha!
So anyhow, the 'Helter Skelter?' , where did it come from? [the word actually means 'chaos']
What does it symbolise? is it a 'magic carpet' ride?
Or maybe its a giant Penis? with a snake coiling around?
or maybe its an innocuous funfair ride? mmmmmm
Photo: lettering
Photo:   lettering.

Maybe I'm wrong? it does not matter to Jesus! ha ha! but subliminals have moved their
base, from the bright lights![luciferian] and thrills of the fairground[too much symbolism/mythology, to go into here] to the new Showmans Kingdom! Hollywood!
[hey, didn't fathead Jellybean, play a showman one time? Sea biscuit?]

I'm outta here....LOL
Photo: lettering
The topsy-turvy arrangement of the lettering and the clever use of circles as a replacement for type cross-bars depicts the nature of the helter-skelter!
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Strange goings on here in Liverpool, we have a victorian, 'Helter Skelter', currently working in Church st, city centre. I was sitting, looking at it the other night.

As I always go back over old ground, I was intrigued by the ,'Chowchilla', reference, previously posted on this thread.

The Beatles, as we know, included the track,'Helter Skelter', on the 'White Album'.
I [incorrectly?] mentioned something about Abigail Folger, being murdered by C.Manson.
After consulting 'Wiki', it seems, it was an associate of Mr Manson, who commited the murder,
the technicalities of this, does not concern me, but I found it a little strange, to say the least,
that a female member of the 'family', died in ? yep! Chowchilla! weird Dudes, very weird!

It was announced in early 2008 that Susan Atkins was suffering from brain cancer.[77] An application for compassionate release, based on her health status, was denied in July 2008,[77] and she was denied parole for the 18th and final time on September 2, 2009.[78] Atkins died of natural causes 22 days later, on September 24, 2009, at the Central California Women's facility in Chowchilla.

I just thought this is a coincidence, then I learn that Mr Manson, has testicular cancer! is a failed musician, and was severly mistreated/raped as a youngster. Seems the devil found him to be a perfect host! [father complex], one of the prison inmates even tried to burn him alive! haha! those wacky prisoners! still, what goes round comes round! So -called 'occultists' should remember that! hahaha!
It's good knowing he's out there...for all us sinners!
[VW cars were a feature of the Manson 'cult' , too, as was marijuana, etc etc, but, what the heck! Bungalow Bill and the White album? nah, no connection....maybe?]

This whole movie comes from a very deep level of psyche, it is not all pleasant things!
but, then again, you can lead the donkey to the water..you can't make it drink!

Adios 4now, amigo's!Wink
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 Little by little, it all comes together.......

Lutherans and Jews? mmmmmmm, Jellybean and Coens...and maybe others..
may find this interesting;
Many writers and scholars have connected the
Wandering Jew to Jewish sources by associating it with the
Jewish ideal of a wandering Baal-Teshuva or the Kabbalists
being exiled time and again with the Shekhina.


There are several ideological and psychological
interpretations of the Wandering Jew legend in its Christian form
which interpret it generally as a symbol of the other.

 In Jungian
terms it is identified as a   shadow figure   or in Christian theological terms as the Antichrist or in literary
historical terms as Cain or the Sacred Executioner.

The correlation between the Wandering Jew and
Lutheranism has often been pointed out and it is already
established in the details of the Volksbuch version which
supply a Lutheran environment of priests and scholars for the
events.

The historical, almost causal, relationship between
Gutenberg's invention and the Reformation, followed by
widely distributed vernacular translations of the Bible, has
been well established in scholarship. A 19th century
baptized Jew (Paulus Cassell) mentions this connection on the
Eternal Jew.


The Wandering Jew is a multivalent sign in Jewish culture. In
every instance of its use it seems to be a sign for a number of
unresolved oppositions between centre and periphery, between
history and redemption, nationhood and universality.
 Or as Paul
Mendes-Flohr in his article on the 19th century déclassé Jewish
intellectuals quotes Simmel's definition of the Stranger: "The Unity
of nearness and remoteness".

 The presence of these unresolved
oppositions charge the Wandering Jew figure with its rich
symbolical connotations, since symbolical meaning is derived from
complex, often oppositional semantic configurations.

 The
Wandering Jew is a perambulating stranger who carries European
cognitive universe everywhere. He is more specifically the carrier
of that intimate mythical cognizance which is sacred to Christian
society.
 He therefore embodies the fear for Jew and Christian alike
that the stranger may indeed possess a knowledge of one's own
primordial symbols, which oneself may not even have direct access
to.


http://members.ngfp.org/Courses/Hasan-Rokem/thewanderingjew.pdf

The wandering Jew-A Jewish perspective; G Hasan-Rokem.

I think perhaps they just don't get it, these 'esotericicists', everything they think they are doing........is pre-ordained! there is nothing new under the sun!
[much like Ahab's rantings to the sun! in 'Moby dick'].
Enough already, I'm getting bored here, maybe time to play elsewhere?....no-one here have any comments? I do not wish to be a party pooper by spoiling the fun element, but I had to dig a little deeper for my own peace of mind. I still love the movie, but feel very humbled by what I have uncovered, this negativity cannot be brought into the tournament!
Fuck it, I feel depressed now... I'm going bowling...Cry
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Thats ARTHUR Schopenhauer, in my mind, one of the very best of philosophers, his 'Essays and Aphorisms', is an easy read for most people, even the daft Coens, and Jellybean Jeff, could learn something there!
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This should wrap 'er up, this Medina shirt thing.
We concentrate on the 'Medina Sod', aspect of the shirt, but totally overlook the ,'Art'.
Perhaps, just maybe, it stands for ,'Arthur?' , he of the Arthurian legend?
A search for, 'Self,' follows [usually] a pre-described 'Odyssey', pattern.
Mallory's, 'Mort D'Arthur', is a romantic, idealistic, search, for the 'Holy Grail'.
[echoed in Indiana Jones!], the grail, of course, is the 'Self', but its multifarious 'cup' symbolism, kalis, Bud, etc etc, tends to obscure the truth! its right in front of you! this 'Self'.

I do not believe Jeff Bridges to be the owner of the shirt. No chance.
I do believe all concerned have discovered an aspect of 'Self', however, there is a possibility,
That it may be a negative aspect. The inclusion of the 'Art', is yet another unconscious cry for help.
If you examine a 'greek key' motif [in architecture etc], after careful observation, you will see a swastika in the centre of the castellations. This does not mean the designers were nazis, far from it! it is , and was, a hindu sign, something the greeks picked up on unconsciously also. The Dudes Pendleton has this design, as does the lamp in TBL'S office.
Architects, used to be mandatory freemasons, in the UK. James Mason, was a trained architect, his family squabbled about his ashes, after he departed this world, I wonder why?
Arthur is an unusual name for a German, but here is something of interest[to me anyways]

... we see all religions at their highest point end in mysticism and mysteries, that is to say, in darkness and veiled obscurity. These really indicate merely a blank spot for knowledge, the point where all knowledge necessarily ceases. Hence for thought this can be expressed only by negations, but for sense-perception it is indicated by symbolical signs, in temples by dim light and silence, in Brahmanism even by the required suspension of all thought and perception for the purpose of entering into the deepest communion with one's own self, by mentally uttering the mysterious Om. In the widest sense, mysticism is every guidance to the immediate awareness of what is not reached by either perception or conception, or generally by any knowledge. The mystic is opposed to the philosopher by the fact that he begins from within, whereas the philosopher begins from without. The mystic starts from his inner, positive, individual experience, in which he finds himself as the eternal and only being, and so on. But nothing of this is communicable except the assertions that we have to accept on his word; consequently he is unable to convince.

– Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, Vol. II, Ch. XLVIII

That really is it! adios Amigos, no more from me here, except to reply to any questions etc.

Take 'er real easy Dudes!Ying Yang
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How the Bluebird Got its Color (Pima, Arizona)

A long time ago, the bluebird was a very ugly color. But Bluebird knew of a lake where no river flowed in or out, and he bathed in this four times every morning for four mornings. Every morning he sang a magic song:

"There's a blue water. It lies there. I went in. I am all blue."

On the fourth morning Bluebird shed all his feathers and came out of the lake just in his skin. But the next morning when he came out of the lake he was covered with blue feathers.

Now all this while Coyote had been watching Bluebird. He wanted to jump in and get him to eat, but he was afraid of the water. But on that last morning Coyote said,

"How is it you have lost all your ugly color, and now you are blue and gay and beautiful? You are more beautiful than anything that flies in the air. I want to be blue, too." Now Coyote at that time was a bright green.

"I only went in four times on four mornings," said Bluebird. He taught Coyote the magic song, and he went in four times, and the fifth time he came out as blue as the little bird.

Then Coyote was very, very proud because he was a blue coyote. He was so proud that as he walked along he looked around on every side to see if anybody was looking at him now that he was a blue coyote and so beautiful. He looked to see if his shadow was blue, too. But Coyote was so busy watching to see if others were noticing him that he did not watch the trail. By and by he ran into a stump so hard that it threw him down in the dirt and he was covered with dust all over. You may know this is true because even to-day coyotes are the color of dirt. (Judson, 1912)

The motif of beauty and pride is central also here. It is what causes his downfall. The archetype has reached a high excitation level and is running at high speed. He commits the same mistake as the unicorn, running headlong into a trunk or stump. Thus, he comes to an immediate halt and falls down into the dust. This is symbolic of the process of incarnation, or in psychological terms, realization. The god has been covered with earth and become a humble little prairie wolf. Note that Coyote losing his beautiful blue coat is analogous with the theme in Princess Cottongrass, where she is bereaved of her royal garments. In this process, the divinities are being reduced.


Oedipus

What about the Oedipus myth, then? Oedipus is not formally associated with the dying gods, but there are significant similarities. He is a hero that suffers demise.

The Oedipus myth

Oedipus, in Greek mythology, king of Thebes, the son of Laius and Jocasta, king and queen of Thebes. Laius was warned by an oracle that he would be killed by his own son. Determined to avert his fate, he bound together the feet of his newborn child and left him to die on a lonely mountain. The infant was rescued by a shepherd, however, and given to Polybus, king of Corinth, who named the child Oedipus ("Swollen-foot") and raised him as his own son. The boy did not know that he was adopted, and when an oracle proclaimed that he would kill his father, he left Corinth. In the course of his wanderings he met and killed Laius, believing that the king and his followers were a band of robbers, and thus unwittingly fulfilled the prophecy.

Lonely and homeless, Oedipus arrived at Thebes, which was beset by a dreadful monster called the Sphinx. The frightful creature frequented the roads to the city, killing and devouring all travelers who could not answer the riddle that she put to them. When Oedipus successfully solved her riddle, the Sphinx killed herself. Believing that King Laius had been slain by unknown robbers, and grateful to Oedipus for ridding them of the Sphinx, the Thebans rewarded Oedipus by making him their king and giving him Queen Jocasta as his wife. For many years the couple lived in happiness, not knowing that they were really mother and son.

Then a terrible plague descended on the land, and the oracle proclaimed that Laius's murderer must be punished. Oedipus soon discovered that he had unknowingly killed his father. In grief and despair at her incestuous life, Jocasta killed herself, and when Oedipus realized that she was dead and that their children were accursed, he put out his eyes and resigned the throne. He lived in Thebes for several years, but was finally banished. Accompanied by his daughter Antigone, he wandered for many years. He finally arrived at Colonus, a shrine near Athens sacred to the powerful goddesses called the Eumenides. At this shrine for supplicants Oedipus died, after the god Apollo had promised him that the place of his death would remain sacred and would bring great benefit to the city of Athens, which had given shelter to the wanderer. (from Funk & Wagnall's Encyclopedia)

Oedipus follows the notorious fairytale pattern of the disowned child, representing the self archetype[2], who later obtains the kingdom. But, in becoming king and guiding principle of (collective) consciousness, the archetype loses its autonomy and is deprived of its inner light, i.e. its eyesight. Oedipus, who in his youth was thoroughly emancipated from mother dependency, again finds himself caught in the embrace of the mother. What does this mean? The conscious establishment of the archetypal spirit of Oedipus also means, paradoxically, that the archetype falls prey to the mother from whom it was initially disengaged. Analogously, Princess Cottongrass, full of heroism and ambition, left her mother in the Dream Castle, but ends up stripped of her regalia and bound to Mother Earth.

The immediate breaking free from the mother-tree is a typical theme. It represents the emancipation of the archetype. The archetype, before it was charged with energy, was part of a matrix of archetypes called the collective unconscious, whose symbolical value is motherly. The energetic aspect is always underscored. Princess Cottongrass is full of energy. That is why she is jettisoned from the Dream Castle like a meteor.

The hero toddler is amazingly resourceful. Shortly after Hercules' birth Hera sent two great serpents to destroy him. Hercules, although still a baby, strangled the snakes. On the day of his birth Hermes stole the cattle of his brother, the sun god Apollo, obscuring their trail by making the herd walk backward. These hero infants tend to be independent of mother and they undauntedly confront the dangers of the world.

Oedipus is somewhat similar, although he is more human. He manages to survive death as an infant. I argue that, first and foremost, we must think of Oedipus as an archetype that emerges from the deeper layers of the unconscious, and becomes a free agent, but then again ends up fettered to the earth in marrying his mother. Obviously, then, the Oedipus myth lacks a strong connection with the Oedipus complex, that is, we cannot draw the conclusion that boys have an urge to actually kill their fathers. However, the myth is ideal to use metaphorically, as an illustration of the complex.

The Oedipal spirit could be exemplified by a new paradigm of collective consciousness, being resisted by father Laius, representing the old paradigm. The king represents that idea of the self[2], the regulating centre of the psyche, that has become a representation of the collective attitude. In rising to glory, the once expansive and powerful spirit, which is the archetype, becomes reduced to mater-iality. It loses its autonomy of spirit, becomes carnal and earthly-minded. The archetype, represented by Oedipus, puts out his own eyes, while the spirit is in the process of losing its own inner light. Oedipus grew out of the collective unconscious, and was initially merely a twig on the mother-tree. The archetype again became dependent on the mother when it fell into conscious material reality. It is the other side of the mother-principle. He went from one end to the other.

Freudian psychology exemplifies this finely. It emerged as a lively and charismatic spirit, harbouring an ambition of world dominion. But it became wholly integrated with material consciousness and thus reduced to carnality. In this it fell prey to the Mother and became mother-bound again. The once proud spirit can today only contribute with mechanical interpretations that reduce everything to carnality by way of 'genitalization', whereby everything is understood as a sexual organ. Freudian psychology lost connection with its own inner spirit, which is the archetype from whence it emerged, and thus it has thoroughly regressed to mother-dependency, which is equal to being caught up in materiality.

So in Oedipus we again find the pattern of the archetype who rises to eminence after having attained autonomy (independency of the mother) and great energetic excitation. But in its vainglory the new idea, breaking into the conscious field, strove after world dominion, without having recourse to other fatherly principles. It is the overextension, i.e. the attempt to apply it on everything, which is the megalomaniacal effect of archetypal possession. An unrestricted identification with material reality causes the downfall of the archetype which becomes wholly enmeshed in materiality. Freudian psychology is today a sad sight, reminiscent of the blind vagabond Oedipus, who finally came to rest at Colonus. The old king is wandering about the country, with a small following of caretakers, mumbling about penises and vaginae.

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OOps! its not Mats Wilander, lost my train of thought here..... its Mats Winther![sorry!]

About group narcissism



I'm not sure, but I think it was Erich Fromm who coined the term 'group narcissism'. It has an offshoot in the term 'corporate narcissism', referring to the business world (cf. the recent financial frauds in the USA). The dynamics of group narcissism is a destructive factor in all human enterprise. This phenomenon is extremely costly to society and to the industrial companies. Incalculable sums of money are being wasted in projects that are going on the rocks simply because the working team has alienated itself from reality under a narcissistic leader whose postulates cannot be questioned.

The vulgar notions of 'arse licker', 'bumsucker', and 'ass kisser', are quite relevant in this context. The notion actually has its origin in historical reality. The knights of Christianity used to prove their submissiveness to the Pope by kissing his bottom.

Fromm writes in 'The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness' that "...most people aren't conscious of their own narcissism, only those expressions of it that doesn't give them away. So, for instance, they might feel an incomparable admiration of their parents, or their own children, and they have no problem in expressing such feelings since this would generally be deemed positively, as reverence for the parents, or affection for the child, or loyalty. But if they were to express their feelings for their own person in terms like "I am the most wonderful person on earth", "I am the best of all", etc, they would be suspected of, not only being extraordinarily vain, but also a bit crack-brained" (my transl.).

[for any narcissists out there!]
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WAV of the future? 100% electronic?
couldn't leave without tidying up a few loose ends.
I've enjoyed being here, no doubt about it! but I feel I'm being a little boring, constantly going on about psychology stuff, I love this movie-a work of genius, but I am concerned that the lack of knowledge on the part of certain production staff members ,may lead to possible problems.
I am not a professional, I am a fucking amateur, here is a little from a swedish person who knows much more than me;

Internet - the Beast of Revelation?

Is the Internet a technological and economical monstrosity inaugurating a new era of Babylonian idolatrous profaneness? The Book of Revelation speaks about the beast who will appear at the end of time and whose number is 666. It so happens that the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet is "wav", equivalent to the English w. A fact is too, that the ancient Hebrews, lacking digit signs, used the letters as digits where the value of the digit corresponds to the letter's place in the alphabet. Consequently, when John speaks of the beast named 666 he speaks of the beast named www. John explains that "no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name". People shall be forced to worship this beast, says John. To me, it seems like John hits the head of the nail. Today, most companies are forced to accept the obligatory "www" before their names on façades and signboards. The World Wide Web is becoming an idolatrous mantra, a slippery octopus who stretches its tentacles into every corner of modern life. The global Internet economy together with information technology expands according to "new economical laws" - in other words, they are wreaking havoc. The native country of the undersigned, as the most computerized land in the world, is today replacing teachers for computers and automatized learning. Within a few years every citizen will have access to broadband, as the result of a governmental venture, because, as they say, the future lies in the Internet. We are being pressured to worship the beast.
[Mats Wilander; at
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I'll still post occasionally, but need a little break from all this devilment!
enjoy your Pan-cakes!
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http://antaiji.dogen-zen.de/eng/kodo-sawaki-to-you.shtml
[for some valuable advice]

Watched Beau Bridges again yesterday in 'stranger to love', what a great actor! kinda sad ending tho', I've never seen anyone depict a truly homeless down and out so well! he must have got tips on how to be a stupid scruffy tithead from someone in the family...Haaaa haaa! other Bridges' in the movie too! man what a talented family!
Anyhow, 'Arrowhead' appeared in the movie, I was wondering, did perhaps Beau realise that 'Arrowhead' was the family home of Herman Melville in Massachusetts? oops! I'm ramblin again..... I'm definitely thinking he may be the guy I want to discuss my script with!
Raining here[again],gotta go out into the world yet again,so I'll meditate as I walk, maybe I'll get 'limber'? whatever that means
Thanks for your help, I'm done here.[I'm just sitting watching flowers in the rain....]
Bye bye.......
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Take er easy, carlthepirate. Your thinking about this shirt had become very uptight. You could try some yoga to become limber.
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Medina sod? farm or something else?
I think both possibilities are correct, so I'm ending this thread of mine here.
I accept both postulates.
If it is in fact,'Medina, star of David', as I believe it is, there is much to be learned,
here is an example from;
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There is a city in Saudi Arabia called Medina, yet it is
a common name among Spanish people. Many people wrongly assume that it is a Moorish name (Spanish Arabic) due to the fact that the South of Spain was under Moorish control. This however is not correct. There are numerous records of Spanish Jews with this name. First the word Medina is also a Hebrew word.Medina means "state" (referring to a nation) in Hebrew. Secondly the Saudi Arabian city of Medina was founded by Jewish refugees escaping from Israel after losing the war against the Romans in the year
70 CE (AD). At this time Islam did not even exist.
It is my belief that the Medinas are descended from Jews that fled from Israel to Medina,Saudi Arabia
and then settled in Spain.Sephardic surnames (unlike Ashkenazi surnames) are very ancient, especially ones like Perez and Medina that are actual Hebrew words. Below is a link from Wikipedia that explains how the Saudi Arabian city of Medina was founded by Jews.
Wikipedia Medina Link (Click Here)


I think, enough with the shirt!!

I'll be gone for a while, got some 'zen' to catch up on.....[you dont have to pay 1000 dollars to visit Auschwitz! I paid 6 euros to camp out near to Dachau one time, false zen is as bad as any falsely represented 'religion'.People who encourage 'splits' in personality to access 'telepathy' should be aware! there is ALWAYS a price to pay!- quit it now! and Be yourself!]
Adios4now.LOL
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Strange how the mind works... threads build into fabrics...and fabrics make the clothes we wear. Why do we put logos, etc, on clothing?[any jungians will get that joke! lol]
To advertise and publicise? or merely to decorate and ornament?
Its a conscious decision on the part of the wearer to choose his own duds.
Or is it?
maybe we unconsciously select our outfits? to fit a particular mood perhaps? wearing blue could be a result of 'feeling blue' for example, or maybe we want to make a statement about personality, bright clothes being representative of an 'outgoing' or 'extravert' nature?
Our selections are subject to our finances, but people regularly pay much money out for 'fashion' items from catwalks etc, why then, is this so? to impress? or to say;'look at me I'm wealthier than you!', or some other ridiculous statement?
or do people not actually realise what they are doing? I think this is the case.
I have postulated much about this 'medina Sod'.
I remind you amigos, I am a sneaky pirate! 'Sons of the desert' and 'Sons of Democracy', are a couple of red-herrings or 'sogers', that I deliberately used to stimulate dialogue!
SOD is ,of course, 'Star of David', and that, amigos, has much symbolism, esoteric and otherwise!
Just why would fat old Jeff 'bignose' Bridges, have this shirt in his closet? does he have a hidden jewish heritage he is ashamed of? he seems to work with a lot of jewish people, Streisand, Coens etc, and his grandparents owned theatres in California, but nah! fatarse jeff wouldn't be ashamed of anything he's ever done would he?
I'm not jewish, but my sister's name is Esther, I had many a confrontation in my youth with dopey bastards who tried to take the piss, Liverpool humour has a very nasty side, something its population, Jewish and otherwise know all about.
maybe dopehead Jeff worked on a midwest farm cutting grass? who knows? maybe the daft californian bought it in a thrift shop? who gives a fuck? not me amigos, I'm outta here!
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Maybe, maybe.... But thats what dialogue is all about! is it not?
My opinions are just that-mine!
Its interesting tho', that photo there with the butterfly and scroll type roll of turf, kinda reminds me of a thread I posted called 'doodles', if you want butterfly symbolism, you may like to look up google.com, they have mucho info....but I digress, squares of grass remind me of sports..NFL perhaps? or baseball?
Whilst on vacation, the ship I was on, had an 'art sale', lots of interesting stuff for sale, including works by Marc Chagall and Picasso! they even had some salvador Dali! [originals for mucho dollares!], but the average Joe- Americans seemed much more interested in shirts!,
as you know, shirts interest me[I'm still waiting for any sensible comments about Donny's]
Imagine my 'surprise' when I noticed this one!


mmmm, just coincidence? maybe, maybe not.....
I wanted to stay with the shirt thread, but somehow sports keep popping into mind,
grass[marijuana] is the sacred plant of the hindu deity Shiva, I just wonder if any failed sports wannabees are included in the ragged bunch of thespians in the movie,
But fuck it, I'm not a fucking park ranger.
I like that tractor too..New Holland? never heard of it[rofl] heard of New Amsterdam tho'!
somewhere near Newark I believe......Wink
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Dude, it is no more complicated that this.

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I've been thinking about this 'Medina' thing.
It goes back to so-called 'mysticism' that permeates this movie.
Taking this a starting point, esoteric speculation by certain 'religious' sects, especially judaism,will be certainly included.
This is the case.
 However, it is incomplete.A new 'Lebowski'[attitude] is the necessary final outcome.We are told one is on the way!, second comings seem to crop up in many orthodoxies, christianity is no exception.
Persons who have lost their 'religion', i,e they no longer can contain their 'projections' in orthodox systems[religions] usually find their personality in a state of 'chaos', they struggle to find their true 'self'. A plethora of alternatives await the unsuspecting, naive, ego, of the one who now embarks on his own personal 'odyssey'.
The problem for me, in trying to analyse this movie from a psychologic angle, is the duality of the writers. Although it is undoubtedly a masterpiece of film, there are many unanswered questions that keep cropping up symbollically.
In judaic esoterica [kabbalism or Q'balla] the 'unutterable name of god', or tetragrammaton, is symbolised by four letters. Two of these are K and H [karl Hungus?]
The other two are not obvious, this leads the unconscious of the viewer to try and fill the gaps, leading to utter enjoyment of the movie!
My vacation took me to the breeding grounds of the sperm whale near St Thomas in the US Virgin isles, whilst there, I got to see some sacred sites of the carib indians, one of which, was a strange rock formation that resembled a human head when seen from the side, much reminding me of mount Rushmore, but I digress....Whilst on board the ship, there were many icons from around the world as art exhibits, hindu deitys etc, one of these was a statue of 'shiva' standing on the head of a cobra, this is the task of the 'hero', ie to overcome the snake-like duality of the emotions, to find 'self'. I think the Coens lack the necessary knowledge and understanding of 'self'. I wish them well.
IS[isis]RA[sun god] El[saturn] is a formula used by ancient alchemists, and alchemy is a symbolic study of 'self', turning base metals to gold is only a metaphor for finding 'self'.
Israel represents ego, as it is triadic in nature, much like the tri-angular symbol on US banknotes[masonic].
We project our unconscious fears onto others, this is a psychologic fact. Christians have always unconsciously identified the 'EL' in Israel, with the devil, as , indeed saturn represents a darker side in both religious systems,  crusades in mediaeval europe, and pointless wars in the modern mid-east are only gigantic devil-projections that lead to misery , fear, and despair, self knowledge overcomes and creates new balance in the psyche, it is no easy task.The mahabarrat of hinduism is a symbolic representation of this eternal struggle.On a personal level, it finds form in the most direct of human emotions, ie sex. And sex, as Freud likes to point out, is the driving force of humanity.
Walt Disney and Salvador Dali made a movie together that was never shown to the public
It contains much imagery that could be considered 'shocking'.
'Uncle Walt' and Walter? mmm, maybe I'm rambling again, but Mr Disney's best work seems, to me at least, to have been made in his earlier years, the modern corporation do not come close, even Pixar are strangely unappealing and sanitized.
All the imagery in Lebowski, Chinaman and Kali-fornian[Hindu and Buddh] complementing Bunny and Asia[yin-yan or tai gi tu], Walter and Dude [judeo-christianity] Treehorn and Jesus[judeo christianity] etc etc finally find form in Maudes studio.
The ego of Dude, [Ra] Maude[Isis] and Harrington[El] represent one of the Coens finding 'self'[the TV]symbollically, It is concordant with the triple nature of the hindu god-image, the new god-image is Technos,as the excellent californian jungian E.F.Edinger has pointed out in his works-the future's 100per cent electronic,the coniuncto of Dude and Maude[ego and aspect of anima-self] is esoteric in nature, representing the 'marriage of sun and moon or tiphareth and malchuth in kabbalism, or paganist pan-theism meeting human experience in mythology.
All in all, its one fine movie. Medina sods? just who gives a shit about sodom?
A house divided against itself cannot stand, but then again, the three little pigs knew how to build houses[rofl]
take it easy Dude, tempus fugit!

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Well bless my soul! hairy woman with big feet! and a foot-ball shirt! gotta be a joke in there somewhere......
Just got back home from a great vacation down carib way, with a stopover in Newark! [NJ] got to see some very interesting stuff whilst away, man, I LOVE AMERICA!
picked up a copy of New York Post, interesting article about Steve Buscemi[jan 24], I did not know he was a firefighter one time! also Mathew Modine appearing on broadway! I really like this Nietzche-reading actor!
Jeff 'smelly feet' Bridges getting hyped in 'Crazy Heart'  too.... what a good read! gives me food for thought! T-Bone Burnett  appearing on the credits again..must be a great soundtrack... I love fat old Jeff! but I bet he's a poor mans Elvis with that guitar he plays! he's probably too ham fisted to play a tune![ha ha!] maybe a Ukelele is more his style! [rofl]
Anyways, I got some real cool outrageous shirt pics which I'll post on my site soon, meanwhile this avatar is a piece of art by some English female called Radford!
strange old universe! I VALUE opinions! keep 'em coming! free speech is my thing! its like Nietzche said;
'sometimes you look into the abyss, sometimes,the abyss looks into you!'

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NFL = National Football League

"Throwback jerseys" are styles from yesteryear worn by teams in certain games here in the present day for no reason I can discern. Some are cool, some should be throw back and stay there. But that's just my opinion, Carl.
I can see you're anxious for me to get to the point.
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  Quote SheYeti Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2010 at 5:16pm
I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab.
I asked a local DJ who was interviewing Jeff Bridges to ask him how he got the Medina Sod shirt. He hasn't gotten back to me about that just yet. And, yes, yes I do have big hairy feet. Thank you for noticing.
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Yes, it is.
How then, did their shirt end up in the closet of Jeff'scruffy, tatty head' Bridges?
By the way, I like your avatar pic, flowers are nice to see!
Do you have big hairy feet as well?Wink

I gotta plane to catch, adios for now.....
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